What Is A Conservative?

by Ben 29. October 2009 18:24

I recently wrote an article about Michael Durbin's article that both compared the anti seat belt argument to the abortion argument, and also claimed that not wearing a seat belt and getting in an accident was a violation of a rescue workers liberties. Here is Michael Durbin's article, and here is my article. Here is the comment he left in regard to my article.

The reason I am titling this article "What Is A Conservative?" in relation to his comments is because I think that they reflect, in my opinion of course, the dilution of true conservative values. Clearly, not necessarily the values of what some people calling themselves conservative retain, but conservative values non the less. I want to kind of take apart Mr. Durbin's comments so we can inspect the values, possibly conservative values, that lead to some of the statements. I am sure that this article will offend, but I think if it can be weathered until the end it will be worth it.

Mr. Durbin asked if I had watched the videos he posted regarding liberty, in particular the one that says a person's labor is a product of their liberty. No, but I did see the one about the trash can controversy. Ya, no government regulations for trash cans, that is super intrusive. Especially, when you have spent $18.00 on your own trash can. Seriously, I do agree with you about the trash cans. Yet, I am curious, are you saying we have the right to make decisions about small stuff like trash can selection, but the decision to buckle up is too important for us to make?

I find it amazing that a person can talk about a person's liberty, especially in regard to their work, and claim to believe it is important, but then turn around and advocate for laws that FORCE a person whose liberty it was to choose the path of a rescue worker to help someone, even if they don't want to. You asked if I would want it another way. Yes! I say yes. A true conservative is a person that holds fast to the values of freedom and liberty, even if the consequences of those values may negatively impact that person. Now, please don't turn this into a shallow exchange by saying that I am saying you are not a true conservative. I can only judge you buy your words. If a liberal sees me in a pool of my own blood and refuses to work on me because I am that jerk that called him a liar last week, well it sucks to be me. Of course, if his boss finds those qualities unbecoming of a rescue worker and fires him, then it sucks to be him. No one has the right to work, only the right to ask to work. More importantly, government has no say in either event.

You asked if I am screaming that my liberties are being lost because my car has to have headlights and turn signals to operate on public roads. See, this is how you tell the real conservatives from the "wanna bes" (not sure how the kids spell that). A conservative knows that his rights, freedoms, and liberties end when they begin to infringe on other peoples rights. Do people have the right to enter public domain and reasonably expect to be safe? The answer seems to be yes since we have police officers enforcing laws that promote public safety. Yet, how does my seat belt help others be safe? Should the law say my child has to be buckled? That argument could be made because my child should have a reasonable expectation of safety when I take them on to public roads. They can't choose not to go in the car with me. Again, I assert that not wearing a seat belt has no adverse effect on other people.

As you said, people that don't wear a seat belt have greater injuries than those wearing a seat belt, for the most part. You mentioned that 1 in 4 trauma patients who are not wearing their seatbelt in your town are on medicare, or don't pay the hospital bill after an accident forcing others to spend their money on them. I think this is where we get into a thick section of poop that the politicians have gotten themselves into. Here is my solution. First, get rid of medicare. There is no right guaranteed, no freedom to have, or liberty given that allows the government to give tax payers money to people for medical care. Yes, yes, I know. I am a heartless #@$@%#$#. Whatever. I find it heartless to take the money from hard working people, by threat of imprisonment, and give it to other people in direct violation of the Constitution. Second, acting as a stop loss for hospitals is not the role of any government. Stop trying to pass regulations to help businesses be more profitable. Your seat belt law acts as a lever which allows government to force private industry to treat injured people regardless of means to pay. If a hospital or doctor chooses to adopt that policy, then that is their right, but it is not the role of government, local or federal, to force companies to accept customers without means to pay. Finally, more injuries means more money for the hospital when patients are able to pay. How is that bad for the rescue worker, hospital, or anyone else being PAID to help that person?

Mr. Durbin, no one is forcing you to choose whose liberty you have to take. A free society is one that regulates itself. Yes, we should have laws that protect people from true violations of their freedom and liberty such as murder, theft, injury due to malice or negligence. These laws are reactive in nature, not preemptive. A true conservative understands that you cannot legislate away crime. Punishment, fast, firm, and public, is the only determent to crime.

OK, that is my case against the substance of your argument. Now, you wonder why I think you should be embarrassed, and said your argument was inept. Also, why oh why would I attack another conservative? Well, I am a conservative. More than that, I am a freedom loving conservative so I have no problem calling out oppressive people, regardless of what they call themselves. OK, I sense I need to back up a minute and explain what I mean by oppressive people. Am I saying that you are an oppressor? Well, I have a very black and white view of freedom. If you aren't for it, your against it. If a person is for freedom, then that person is a freedom lover. If a person is against freedom, then that person is an oppressor. If a person makes, passes, or helps to pass a law that infringes on another person's liberty, then that person is an oppressor. That person can choose, at any time, to stop being an oppressor, but at that moment they are an oppressor. That is what infringing on other peoples liberty does, it oppresses them.

An old proverb says that as iron sharpens iron, so one man sharpens another. If I don't "attack" you, as you say, then I have no method to help sharpen you. Alternatively, I have no opportunity to be sharpened myself. This is one reason our founding fathers placed so much value on freedom of speech. I mean, I don't know if they specifically reference that proverb, but I am pretty sure they knew that freedom of speech was, and is, a foundational principal in the growth and enhancement of our society. If we go around being afraid to speak, or being afraid to be spoken to, then we cannot grow as human beings.

OK, but why blast, ridicule, and laugh at people for their inept arguments? I am glad you asked. It is false to believe that people change when they are comfortable. No one has ever said that comfort was the mother of invention, at least not to my knowledge. No, it is necessity that is the mother of invention. If no need is recognized, then no change can occur. If we, as freedom loving people want to change this country back into the way our founding fathers intended, then we must create an environment that forces people to recognize the need for change. To confront them with the absurdity of their ideology. Yes, to ridicule their ideas. To laugh at their baseless arguments. Especially, to ridicule them for having so low minded thoughts. We have become such a PC society today that an attack on ones ideals, their thoughts, has been equated to a personal attack on the person themselves. Especially, if that attack comes from a member of the group that person identifies themselves with. I am a conservative, but I am not a collectivist. I hold no loyalty to any collection of people. I represent myself and the truth as I see it. I welcome attack. I welcome people ridiculing my ideology, my truth. I look forward to defending myself and challenging others. Frankly, I think you should too.

You state in your reply that you think our efforts would be better served attacking those who take our liberties constantly. Yet, does it matter if those liberties are taken slowly or quickly, constantly or intermittently? Liberty lost is liberty lost. Any effort to take liberty should be fought. Also, how can a conservative possibly defend ones self from those that seek to steal liberty when they have the hypocritical log in their own eye? Can we honestly confront those that want to fundamentally change our country with integrity when there are those on our own team that have been willing participants in the effort, regardless of the degree or speed? Isn't that where that saying comes from about throwing stones when you live in a glass house? Can a person honestly call themselves a conservative because they stand up for the right to pick their trash can, but not the right to choose their own safety habits? Is liberty that limited? Do I not have the right to control my destiny, even if that choice leaves me paralyzed or dead? If not, then do I really control my destiny? Or is the depth of my liberty trash can deep?

These are the ideas that define a conservative, at least the way my grandfather defined conservative. He grew up in the great depression and fought in WWII defending the world from a German government that wanted to control or murder every person in the world. When we stop spending ourselves into bankruptcy, move to sound money principals, get government back to the limitations placed on it by the tenth amendment, and stop allowing babies to be murdered under the euphemism of "choice", then I might allow politicians today to tell me what we should say is conservative.

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Comments

10/31/2009 2:30:06 AM #

There are several details you’re apparently missing in my specific situation and maybe that is my fault for writing my blog based upon the assumption that the members of the community I represent would be interested in my actions and would also know what is going on and the context behind it. I’m afraid I have left out detail that would lead those looking from the outside, in, would make some conclusions that aren’t necessarily true.

First, I am an Alderman of a community of 18,000 people. Within our community, the Board of Aldermen is divided into three wards. I represent one of these wards that contain 3,200 registered voters. The board I sit on is comprised of 6 Aldermen (2 aldermen representing each ward) of which I am one.  When standing up for conservative principles I am the single voice on this board. I am constantly the lone dissenting vote on a variety of issues (I voted against accepting stimulus funds, I vote against “smart growth” subsidized housing championed by the UN, etc., etc.). I am one against five on many issues so my “power” is very little.

You make a point regarding children being secured or passengers. This is where you may not have all the details. Anecdotal evidence aside, it is proven by our hospital’s trauma center studies that a driver not wearing their seatbelt is quicker to lose control of their vehicle and less likely to regain control when not secured. Again, it’s a safety measure at that point. When most accidents can occur or not with split-second timing, I would much rather have a driver that has the odds in their favor than against them when it’s someone else’s life they could avoid affecting by regaining control of their vehicle quicker or not losing control at all. If it’s the difference between a close call and death and injury, it’s a device that can save lives and loss.

I also would like to clarify one point that needs to be understood. Again, I am merely an alderman of a community of 18,000 people. I ran for office because I was tired of seeing people’s liberty eroded away on all levels of government. I make my decisions based upon one philosophy and that is I will vote in ways that eliminate the taking of liberty completely. If that can’t happen, because of the rules I have to abide by based upon state and federal mandates, I will find the way to minimize the taking of liberty. That’s it. At the same time, please consider I have to play the game with the rules that are given to me. I COMPLETELY agree with you about the elimination of Medicare and go further and believe the elimination of private health insurance is necessary too (another topic I love to debate and encourage you to consider the ramifications of). But until that day comes, I have the same amount of influence over state and federal politicians as every other average Joe; I must play by the rules laid out by my state and federal government. I will fight their unjust “rules” every chance I get. I can assure you of that. So with the rules I must play by comes the consideration that our first responders must treat all who need treatment at the scene of an accident and Medicare exists and people rob the system in many ways. I have to make my decision based upon that. I have medical professionals saying they are tired of being expected to treat those who did not wear a seat belt and they know they’re Medicare patients or don’t end up paying for the service they received, they’re complaining about their liberty being taken away. Doctors are tired of being robbed by those who don’t pay and having to see it passed on to those who work hard, are honest, and pay their debt for services. I see my opportunity in this situation to find a way to, again, minimize or completely eliminate government taking a person’s liberty. In this particular case I don’t have the power to change the rules of the game, but I have the opportunity to decide which way would minimize the liberty taken from individuals. In my view, that was by voting the way I did. Agree with it or not, I just want to make sure you have all of the facts so maybe you will understand I am a conservative and not just a “wanna be”.

I think you are correct that holding those accountable who are incrementally taking our liberty is just as important as calling out those who are doing it continually. In addition to that, I am just as thick skinned as you. In politics I take nothing personal. It’s a debate of ideas and if you don’t like them, fine. I’m not worried about it. If my community doesn’t like it, they can elect someone else when my term is up and I’ll go back to spending more time with my wife and two sons. It’s not a paid position anyway so I’m simply volunteering my time to the cause of freedom and conservatism.

I also am on the board of directors of the Young Conservatives of America (http://tycoa.com), the fastest grassroots conservative organization in Missouri. I invite you to visit the site, read the platform on a variety of issues that we spent 18 months debating and developing and then come back and let me know if I am a “wanna be”. I swore an oath to TYCOA to uphold the principles. I was required to sign a code of conduct, which is also on the site, and have an organization of 2,000+ conservatives there that will hold me accountable to my principles and oath.

I’m not saying you should agree with me. I hope that we don’t on all the issues. If we did, we would be just like the liberal sheep. You are exactly right in quoting Proverbs 27:17, “iron sharpens iron”, I’m simply asking you to understand where I am coming from when I made the decision I did and understand that even conservatives aren’t going to agree on all issues. I think the “sharpening” goes both ways. Find out where I stand and the factors that led to why I made the decision I did before attacking. That is why I said you can see in all of my other communications, that I publish conservative principles constantly, blog and twitter, but you didn’t take the time to communicate with me to get the whole story before coming out swinging. I will continue to look for ways to eliminate the erosion of people’s liberties in my community and hopefully conservatives as a whole can effect change in all levels of government to the point that a local official like myself doesn’t have to work under the oppression of state and federal mandates and local government has the greatest power, just like the founders intended. I will continue to fight for that cause and I’m sure you will too. I hope this has clarified why I did what I did and where I stand. That’s all that I ask and thank you for giving me the opportunity to discuss with you.

Michael Durbin United States

11/1/2009 6:15:57 AM #

Mr. Durbin,

Thank you for your continued conversation. For clarification, I did as much research as I could about your views. Perhaps, there were things I didn't see, but it wasn't because I didn't try. I will admit that I didn't read every article on your blog. I don't think I needed to, either. I think I understand your positions; I was challenging what I see as your inconsistencies.

I do have an understanding of your position in your community, and I know you can't change things overnight by yourself. That wasn't my goal.

I still disagree with your position on seat belts because I think that anyone that will sacrifice liberty for safety will get neither, which I think someone said before me, but I don't remember who at this moment. My goal, however, was not to get you to change your seat belt laws, but to challenge your reasoning. I don't think seat belt laws and abortion can be compared.

You said, "...but you didn’t take the time to communicate with me to get the whole story before coming out swinging." The article I read seemed to be the whole story about your way of viewing the seat belt laws. Your argument was that the argument for a persons right to choose not to wear a seat belt didn't hold up when it came to abortion. I assumed this was your whole argument.

Even if I were to concede that a person loses liberty by helping the injured non-seat belt wearing accident victim (which he/she may lose liberty, but only because of the injection of government forcing them to work against their will), the rescue worker doesn't lose his life like the unborn child does. This was the second point I made by asking if the rescue worker would have his arms and legs cut off and have acid poured on him or her, like the unborn baby would. The liberty to work is meaningless without life.

This is what makes your argument laughable and inept. Again, not trying to be mean, but these types of arguments should be uncomfortable to make because they are weak. Weak arguments are easily defeated by our ideological enemies. The third paragraph of your last comment would have been, and is, a much more compelling argument for the intervention of government for wearing a seat belt. It drives to the point of public safety and makes a strong case against the liberty issue because it demostrates how it affects other people. I still think I disagree with it, but I can't agrue against it as easily.

I do appriciate you having this conversation with me. I wish you the best at your position on the board of directors at the Young Conservatives of America.

Ben United States

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